Vividly.

Jim Harrison: D. H. Lawrence said, "The only aristocracy is that of consciousness."

Gary Snyder: What do you think he meant?

JH: I think he meant that the person who is most conscious lives most intensely -- if "intensity" is the real pecking order, since life is so limited in length, as we are both aware of recently. That the person who experiences life most vividly --

GS: The most vividly? I'm not sure I agree with how he meant that, but that's a good question --

JH: Why would you disagree?

GS: Oh, because it's too spectacular, too romantic.

JH: Well so was he.

GS: Of course. At any rate, you could set that beside an East Asian idea of the aristocracy of consciousness, and a Chinese or Korean idea of that would be much calmer, much cooler. Not like a hard glowing gemlike flame, not like a flaming candle burning out --

JH: That's what Kobun Chino Sensei said; they criticized his friend Deshimaru because he said, "You must pay attention as if you had a fire burning in your hair." And Kobun said, "You must pay attention as if you were drawing a glass of water."

GS: Oh, that's better.

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